HBAR now #41 on CoinGecko. What’s it going to take

to create interest?

Sadly, the space is one big gambling syndicate. Tokens are just casino chips to people and if they can find one that's volatile, they are more likely to buy that. It's the most ridiculous asset class ever. No financial advisers so these parasitic influencers just feed people with misinformation. Lark Davis has 1.1M followers on X. This guy continues to defend Solana and the brainless sheep follow the herd. They don't care about tech or outages. The VCs control the price and have propped it up. It was 93 a few days ago. It's now about 105. What sort of backward asset class is it when something becomes more investable after failure after failure and shady practices. Why are FTX and Luna even listed anywhere. Clearly nobody cares. Regulation needs to happen. There are countless claims on social media of bad tokenomics (incorrect) and dumping by the foundation and team. Most are just guessing and following nonsense espoused by others. Has anyone actually looked at the wallets that are selling in an attempt to try and disprove this? We do need more 'retail' type projects to drive price whilst waiting for paid for enterprise cases to go live. Other than Atma, I couldn't say who makes up the rest of the TPS. I don't even think most projects on Eth, Bsc and Sol actually mean to develop anything. Substandard or no developments just to plunder funds from retail out of the ecosystems. There was a study showing that around 55% of all new projects in 2023 on Eth had all the hallmarks of rugpulls. And many more will fail to deliver. It's a shitshow but most VCs, founders and influencers are only interested in manipulation and what they can get. Why else would VCs keep supporting useless projects developing on inefficient chains. It's absolute filth and often it's youngsters just starting out in life who see claims of huge wealth online and end up falling victim to this cesspit of a space. Just my thoughts.

It's a sober moment for those new to HBAR or those that have just drunk too much Hedera juice over the years. The aspirational dreams of those with stars in their eyes that HBAR will be going to $3 to $5 anytime soon, are folly. HBAR at best, will maybe see 50c in the next bull. Zero interest from retail, Zero interest from media, Any industry look ahead report for the 2024 Crypto landscape doesn't even mention Hedera or HBAR. No retail, No demand, No interest... 50c tops.

Means lower price than 3 years ago.Dont think so

Yep.. exactly so.

Unfortunately even 50 cents is moonboy territory.

And maybe ada reaches 3 dollar. Thats moonboy territory

You are the moonboy. Because you are impatient and wanted bigger faster gains. You've either bought the top, over committed, are in serious losses or panic sold on the way down. Nobody normal would spend so much of their life apparently 'educating' the community on the negatives if they hadn't got absolutely financially obliterated. You are skint. Let's not beat around the bush here and you blame Hedera not yourself.

Take your points but a lot of that can be attributed to the fact that there is little or no intrinsic value in 99.99% of crypto as it stands so you are mainly just playing around with ponzis until that changes. Hedera are not shilling a ponzi.

On the subject of retail, branding needs to resonate. Hedera haven't achieved that. There also needs to be some value proposition for retail. There's simply neither at the moment.

Agreed. And remember, I'm a big Hedera eco-system fan... and just quietly have made some very big smile profits in recent weeks... but the HBAR I hold, I am resigned to the fact that we a still a few years away from seeing $3 to $5 values that I see touted around the traps for this upcoming bull.

Yeah. I mean, I would be happy with anything between 50c and a dollar. A 10x and I would be over the moon. Any more and it's a bonus. A 10x, even 5x is still fantastic. Better than other investments and we are in a 'safer' play. If it doesn't make it now in terms of price, it looks like it has the best chance in the future. Long after Sol etc are gone.

I'd have a smile from ear to ear with a US $1... that's like $1.50 AUD.... fingers crossed hey 🤞🏻

It would definitely be good to attract smaller (legitimate) ecosystem projects to attract retail interest.

It's still only a 35bn mcap at a dollar. I say only but Uniswap, pancake swap, Luna, LTC, doge, Shiba inu and others were in that ball park in 2021. I wouldn't say that these were projects that would help shape the Web3 future like hedera. They were just better known and or used by retail. XRP hasn't really brought anything to the table other than hype. No ecosystem tokens to play around with. Just hype. Running at 10tps. But (and this is our issue), they were first movers in a market with a tiny market cap. Hence the multiples. We are surrounded by lots of projects with 1 to 5bn mcaps. L1s, L2s many of which are propped up by VCs. They move the prices, people jump on board hoping to catch a quick 2 or 3x. Or even 30 to 40%. But it's VCs and whales making the money as they have the bigger bags. We have 120 non VC Saft investors (friends, family and employees) holding a huge number of tokens still at around 15x and 75x up. Anyone ever observed what those wallets do? Have they sold much in the last bull run? Would be interested to know.

Very true, especially about youngsters. Around 80% of institutional investors don't want to touch crypto. That , and the fact that these chat are full of kids, should speak volumes.

Except ADA did reach $3 though. But also Hedera cant be compared to Cardano in terms of marketing. Hedera doesn't have anywhere the same retail appeal, so it looks to depend on enterprise (which looks like it will take a few more years - maybe another decade if you compare it to how long it took Amazon to turn a profit and become successful).

The timeline comparison with amazon is an interesting one, and well worth taking a look at. Historically it's pretty similar. Hbarprice, for all his ... foibles, was spot on with that one, and predicted hbars return to sub 6c, based on the amazon chart. I'd say ten years looks good

Yes, it may even take a few decades like Amazon did. Hedera is a 100 year company and HBAR is a very long term hold. I feel bad for anyone that bought in 2021, as they were ironically TOO early. But hopefully they will see the gains in the 2030-2040s (similar to Amazon's price chart from 1999 to 2019).

You mean you bought in 2021.

Not sooo much time need 0.20/0.30 in 18/24 months Max ..0.40/0.50 should be a good final target ..the most important is hedera is beguin to atract Big money like saudies .. and when when the Big sharks want they Will move hedera to 3/4x in weeks ..for me its a long term bet

Good final target for you mate. My targets are very different to yours. I see the project differently from how you probably see it

Don't worry too much about the price, l know you said you bought high price but don't short change yourself. You can gain a lot from hbar

Whats you opinion or an AVG real target for you? I like to listen opinion from long term holders.. and good morning

GM, when I invested, I trusted the team, it was obvious that they are concentrating on enterprise adaption rather than retail so short term pumps are not for hbar. I've listened to many interviews by the team members and the founders. What they said in Dec was that they are definitely working on some new GC members for 2024 to join. They were even confident to say at least 4 new GC members if not more. Then they also said they are working on 1 or 2 things which can shock the space if they can pull them off. Now I look at the team and the technology and I can't see why those things can't happen!!! Obviously it's not guaranteed but I trust the team to deliver. With all that said I can really see hbar hit a new ATH this year. Market conditions looking good, btc halving also coming up, more money is flowing into the market through ETFs and Airdrops so those things make me positive. Always DYOR

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In my opinion, that's false but we shall see. 50 cents tops, I mean. Everyone one of us watch the Hedera news and we see all the positive onboarding . Technically we have just had the first ever monthly crossover on monthly MACD. We are not the least bit overbought while many of the early runners are. It doesn't feel much different from the last bull market as we just couldn't make a push with follow through. And then we did. . . And when we did, Bingo life changing wealth in a matter of days.

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