Is anyone allowed to say anything in this group that

is not overtly supportive of WAVES? Is discussion of the whale wallet not permissible - and if this is the case, do you see how this looks suspicious? At least allow some discourse that isn't solely pump requests and targets above 50.

If you have any value in vires or invested in waves, I think the 400mi whale is long waves and long usdn... So your concern should be who's short and fud. Whoever is long waves doesn't want harm to the ecosystem.

Market manipulation on either side of the coin is harmful to the ecosystem. Just because you profit from upside manipulation does not mean it is a good thing for the ecosystem.

Who talk about manipulation? this is not for us to discuss, vires was created for a purpose and people use it for that. We are not here to judge anyone, but order needs to be restored, Fuda to stop, usdn to regain its peg and things flow as they should.

I don't think there would be evidence of manipulation, because everything in the waves ecosystem cooperated for a bull market, and there was even extra incentive on the part of those who thought that Sasha being Ukrainian had something to do with the bull market... Not really, Sasha herself refuted this thesis. But even so, it was an extra force motivated by the feelings of others. A lot of things were happening in the waves, the scenery was totally propitious for a high. You say manipulation, and I wondered why? Because from my side and from my point of view, I see demand and organic growth.

Pm chain transactional volume doesn't substantiate that..

I don't see any advantage on the waves side of manipulating the price, they are too busy creating and developing things, and too smart to do something like that. Waves products and ecosystem have a natural demand, have deflationary factors, are hungry for waves and there are few waves on the market on offer. This is not manipulation (sorry if you lost your short position with the price spike = )) This is DEMAND!

But didn’t the price just go up by 500mil usdn/waves loop being bought via vires using borrowed usdt and usdc? So 500mil MC was added using these stablecoins lenders provided on vires. That is what drove the price up. Is there not on chain prove of this?

And even if it is, what else is there? Who proves anything? Talking about it sucks, what will you gain from it? do you have money in vires? Wait for everything to go back to normal, standing here saying "Price went up by loop, manipulation" it's complete nonsense.

I feel like realistic questions and answers are better to be asked then just saying: yeah price went up because there was a lot in the pipeline or the Ukrainian story. That to me is complete nonsense when there wasn’t on chain activity to back that up. The only thing we can see is that extra 500 million dollars in the system pumped. So, even if I cannot prove it, it seems like less nonsense than talking about chain activity. And I am not fudding, i just want answers. And hope to get those answers from people also invested in this ecosystem.

It's a shame you don't have this information, a sign that you're not a long-time investor. Everyone here who is a long-time investor and follows everything that happens on waves knows that everything you fudders say is nonsense and makes me lazy.

Ethereum and the waves started almost simultaneously (with a short interval), how much does each Ethereum token cost now? During these years, waves ecosystem has been much more active than the Ethereum ecosystem, launching unique projects (such as waves lab, waves enterprise ecosystem, neutrino, gravity, etc.), each of which has special benefits (to For example, waves enterprise ecosystem has built a flawless voting system, launched a face recognition system for companies, worked with Russia's largest energy companies, and even monitored household electricity consumption in some Russian cities. It has won several major awards so far, collaborating with large companies and these are just some of their improvements), trading in the Waves protocol has much lower fees than Ethereum, and with higher processing speeds and ...... Now tell me, if the market of one of these two projects (Ethereum and Waves) has been manipulated, what is that project? Ethereum with more than $3,000 per token price, or waves with ATH of $63 ?