Look at evm - why do you think it has

survived? You think evm has the best tech - hell no! They took the market because there's adoption and any tom, dick or harry can look up tutorials. I'm not talking about selling snake oil and doing wrong things or misleading - simply making the case for easier adoption and definitely not charging money from devs.

It’s just rust. Everyone can do it here as well.

Do you realize there's a steep learning curve for rust compared to JavaScript/solidity ? If these basics don't factor into your calculations then adoption is going to be difficult

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I don’t think the courses cover basics in rust. You need to know how to do it already. That’s also something good in my opinion. Since this is no solidity or go, which everyone can learn in hours more quality will be provided.

I'm with you on this one. It's not just a course where value strictly flows from s to t. There is a huge mutual benefit in opening the doors, at least in the beginning, by eventually uploading these sessions on YouTube. That said, on the other hand Holo invested in scholarships so that anyone who felt deserving could just send an email and ask to join. Also, https://holochain-gym.github.io/ is online, even thought I'm not sure how recent it is, not having the competence to judge. I personally feel like uploading a couple video sessions/guided on how to set the work space, or making sense of the crates and how to use them on YouTube, would potentially help the cause a lot.

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Look, if you cared about the actual project and it's adoption instead of siding with people trying to make an extra buck on the side, you wouldn't see my point of view as a "complaint" but rather as constructive criticism. Take a look at various Blockchain ecosystems and you will realize the folly of the project charging a quick buck and not realizing importance of ease and accessibility to the developers.

😅😅😅 there's probably very very few people who care more about its adoption and the project than Steven 😂

Well then if one cares then they should take the constructive criticism. Maybe a case of misplaced priorities. He responded and made it about me as if I was having difficulty developing and "complaining" . It's not about me but about the project and it's ecosystem.

I guess the problem is that you came in and cried for marketing. That’s a trigger point. Seems like you’re ok overall. Those who follow the project since many years now, know that the team is about to launch something with huge impact for the world.

Nevertheless I don’t think your „criticism“ will find an ear currently. There might be free trainings in the future but not now. Regarding marketing there will be the right one at the right time. No need to rush.

Again I didn't not "cry for marketing" . It was a simple question.

Your “tone,” as best can be inferred, coming in here is to repeat the same complaints of new posters that Holochain isn’t marketing enough. If you actually followed the project, you could see what is happening to promote and market. You might not agree with it, but you would see that it is happening. I assume that if one is commenting about costs to prospective devs, one is a dev. Mostly we don’t have actual devs speaking up about price. So it’s fair to assume it’s not an issue right now. As things mature, there will be more opportunities for more casual devs or experimenters to join in, if they don’t find current materials meet their requirements. The Holochain team does hear your concerns. You aren’t the first to say them. Remember although some team members have know each other and worked together in the past, this is still a startup. There are tradeoffs that have to be made to get a viable product shipped.

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Appreciate the response, some of your assumptions about the intent of my questions are completely unfounded - but are you telling me that the Holochain team can't afford to pay for such boot camps to be put on YouTube etc ? Democratizing access to devs should be a paramount concern. Fine if people think they need to be compensated for teaching Holochain development (well it's not fine but say it is) - why can't such materials be put up on YouTube after the conclusion of such paid boot camps? Presumably only because such instructors are looking to earn from the next cohort of students and project adoption has taken a backseat.

I think at least in parts they worked on specific projects. Not sure if it would make sense to put it online. Furthermore, I could assume that it would be difficult to put offline workshops into an online course. Not sure if it would make sense to put a camera into one corner of the room, press record and ready is the online training. Not.

No. Im saying that Holochain doesn’t do things 1/2 ass. Just throwing up the dev training still requires going through content & making sure it can be a quality experience. (I’m making assumptions here, based on my knowledge of these people) I don’t know the details of the training. I do find your assumption that withholding the material is about maximizing profit rather interesting. And wondering if there is some other concern you have in your questions.

I don't know what world you live in but any quality education or workshop costs money. Its weird you would assume that education is free.

Which century are you living in? MOOCs have democratized education and people can literally study for free using materials on MITOCW/ Coursera/etc ..... Not just that you have authors publishing books for free and there is obviously the world of open source software where people contribute without monetary incentives largely. Might want to ponder about such things rather than point fingers at someone saying the obvious.

Holochain is open source too. Just like github.

What are you complaining about? Are you a dev working on a project and have questions?

Why are you so interested in me? The questions/views I put forward are about the project. Don't understand how it has to circle back to me. As if being a dev would magically change the arguments somehow.

So you are just an "investor" who is unhappy with the price of HOT?

Again - why do you have to obsess about me rather than focus on the points being raised? Getting a tad tiring.

Because I love you ❤️ To your arguments: maybe the team could their time to write a book about hypothetical future for Holo (hypothetical because sometimes there are breaking changes). Or they could spend their time working on the development of Holo. Funnily: although there are already lots of projects in the pipeline, I could not remember that any of the devs of these projects have complained that they have problems in doing their work or finishing their projects. Weird, isn't it?

You surely come across as an obsessive lover 😁 Ok - so now you're mentioning that lack of time is the issue for the team? That's precisely my point - if they can take out time for paid workshops then they have enough time to do that for the extra buck - but presumably refuse to make the materials public. If it wasn't for the money? It would be much more efficient to put out materials for developers. And no it's not weird at all about not enough devs complaining, because maybe there's not enough in the first place! Blockchain ecosystems are courting devs to build and rolling out materials but here you have people insisting on gatekeepers to developer adoption and charge devs instead 🤦‍♂️

There is free sources. Check GitHub and the Holoforum. Devcamps cost a few bucks because of commodity and food and to get some quality developers. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. In my opinion this was discussed enough by now.

Guess I will stop. People getting too flaky about constructive criticism.

By the way. Devs are not charged. They are paid in HOT and Holofuel and surely some fiat.

Constructive criticism goes both ways. It seems like you can't accept the answer beeing given and get flaky about it, and then project those feelings onto us or the holo team. We just don't agree with you.

i thought your original question was a good one

Evidently the comment below yours shows that some agree. Kindly don't project your conclusions onto others (the use of "us") who disagree.

I’m not sure if Marcus Phillips is a part of this again, but he was an instructor at a previous immersive class and an advisor for Holochain. He’s the cofounder of Hack Reactor, a top notch coding boot camp and probably not cheap. Just something to consider on one reason why it’s not free.

I agree with @hereforyou that all the previous and coming boot camps should have been subsidized by ico fund

You need to have some skin in the game to show that you’re interested in developing on Holochain. If it was free you’re gonna have people just to sign up and have no interest nor probably have the skills already to develop.

Again, there is like only few decent projects that develop on hc, it’s been 6 years man

I understand. Some of it frustrates me as well. I’ve been a part since the Indiegogo campaign. There’s projects that haven’t been released yet to the public. Just have to be patient.