"He'D like to see more successful concrete product outputs to

better evaluate SNet, and maybe the merger will help with that. Sure. I mean if someone hasn't looked deep into the tech that's a reasonable reaction given the current state of development. And yes I think the merger will help with productization. Both Humayun and Trent are more product-oriented than I have been historically, my bigger strengths have been in R&D. "That's what the community has been telling you for years. Where are the products. And that's why I don't trust you anymore. Not in your abilities as a visionary researcher, but as a CEO who has a business plan and intends to generate money, not collect it from individual investors who find themselves becoming generous donors after long years with no products delivered.

There's something worrying in the comment: "he'd like to see more successful concrete product outputs to better evaluate SNet, and MAYBE the merger will help with that."
"MAYBE"???
What does it mean?
A Maybe at this fist of history is highly problematic. It doesn't show any willingness except to continue producing nothing tangible.

annnnddd yet another guy who doesn't understand the 1st thing about SNET's tech stack.

I'm an honest person and am not going to pretend there are certainties where they don't exist. I have already articulated many times what I think is the roadmap to getting awesome products on the SNet protocol, with AI functionality beyond GPT5 / 6 , even before we get to HLAGI. It involves completing OpenCog Hyperon beta and then a Hyperon node running on SNet + HypC + NuNet, and delivering AI services leveraging Hyperon+DNNS via APIs I am highly confident this can work well, but there's a bunch more work to do. It seems probable that the integration with Ocean and Fetch can help realize this vision as well, with Ocean's data nodes integrated into Hyperon's DAS and Fetch's agent system helping interface the SNet/Ocean network to commercial product infrastructure. There are no certainties here but this seems to me a path with a pretty high odds of success. I think the merger makes the odds of success higher.

Also, btw, Emad's comments on the weakness of proven product functionality could be applied to the entire crypto ecosystem. A skeptic could easily say: "What products are there across all of crypto except money laundering, selling drugs and arms anonymously, DeFi (which is just shuffling around crypto into other crypto), some mediocre Web3 games, and overpriced NFTs connoting artworks that are freely available online? Not a huge amount. A few experimental corporate POCs that marketers have made big noise about...." .... The promise of crypto to revolutionize the actual economy is still mostly unrealized, and this holds for decentralized AI and pretty much across the board. Now, I happen to think blockchain tech has been advancing incredibly well, and with new infrastructure like HypC and Nunet we are pretty close to the point where decentralized applications WILL start delivering major value across all vertical markets of the "real world" economy. I also think rolling out Hyperon+DNNs on decentralized networks is going to kick the ass of Big Tech centralized AI in a tremendous way over the next few years. However, if one wants to be skeptical of crypto networks based on demonstrated product success in the real world, it's not hard to do, right? But viewed differently this is an opportunity both economically and tech-wise: If you can see a not-yet-realized promise, that others can't see, this insight can be used to great advantage 😉

Ben, related question. Creating a bunch of agents, running on a node, that are "grounded" through use of neuro symbolic, for instance, is great and a positive step forward, but I can see a focus on corporate data, corporate use cases, naturally. But if we're going to get to AGI proper, and benevolent at that, a bunch of the data an agent would need isn't immediately and obviously going to generate a commercial return. How are we going to get that data in? I'm busy talking to a couple of governments, who have been sold on Jensen Huang's sovereign AI pitch as being about creating their own LLM, on the need in this space, but do you have any thoughts?

"It seems probable that the integration can help..." ..."there are no certainties..." Are these prospects really worth the SNET community losing 57% of its token? I think this is a done deal and the only ones who really profit are people who knew early enough what is planned... and some fetch holders by chance.

Hi ben! regarding Emad's somewhat uninformed comments, what's your feeling about the state of opinions around Snet (and AI+blockchain in general) of other AI/AGI colleagues from the more mainstream AI field?

Any timeline for finishing the Beta?

Tokenomic incentives for providing data fit into Ocean, SNet, Fetch, Rejuve, Jam Galaxy, etc. etc. models...