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So you use the thing you have to update every

other day and whose updates will down your production once a week as a host?

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Ludovic 'Archivist'-Lagouardette Автор вопроса

Interresting approach, not gonna lie

Will down? Why should? Updates are needed and updates mostly require rebooting services. Missing updates is not an enhancement

Muflone
Will down? Why should? Updates are needed and upd...

"Update requires manual intervention" goes brrr

Ender
"Update requires manual intervention" goes brrr

That means nothing, just to replace a file or ask for confirmation about overwrite

Muflone
That means nothing, just to replace a file or ask ...

Or really? https://archlinux.org/news/xorg-cleanup-requires-manual-intervention/

Ender
Or really? https://archlinux.org/news/xorg-cleanup...

Oh no, I have to uninstall a package in two years, what impossible task

Muflone
Oh no, I have to uninstall a package in two years,...

Well keep doing distro devs' job if you like it 🤷🏻‍♂ btw it happens much more often.

Ender
Well keep doing distro devs' job if you like it 🤷🏻...

Only for soname clashing, the majority are overwrite some files and it happens only some times per year

Muflone
Only for soname clashing, the majority are overwri...

I'm not saying it's impossible to manage that. I'm saying you shouldn't have to.

Ludovic 'Archivist'-Lagouardette Автор вопроса
Muflone
Only for soname clashing, the majority are overwri...

Those lib names clashes are what made me lose money because some asshat though using arch for servers was a nice idea

Ender
I'm not saying it's impossible to manage that. I'm...

Do you think it would be a difficult task to put that removal in the pre installation script? The reason is ONLY for keeping the user at the center of the system

Muflone
Do you think it would be a difficult task to put t...

You can keep user in control by asking what the user wants when they execute "pacman -Syu". And by providing default resolution that will be used on --noconfirm for automated upgrades.

Ender
You can keep user in control by asking what the us...

Oh no, having to read a webpage twice per year is terrible

Ludovic 'Archivist'-Lagouardette Автор вопроса
Ender
May I ask what your business is? :)

It was some SaaS doing accounting

Ender
I repeat: you shouldn't have to.

You shouldn't fear to be able to manage your system either

Muflone
You shouldn't fear to be able to manage your syste...

I don't fear. But I also use systems that are better designed :)

Ender
I don't fear. But I also use systems that are bett...

oh ok, I wasn't aware you were using Windows

Muflone
You shouldn't fear to be able to manage your syste...

If you can't completely automate the upgrade process and provide sane defaults then your system is not relevant for real-world production servers.

Ludovic 'Archivist'-Lagouardette Автор вопроса
Muflone
You shouldn't fear to be able to manage your syste...

If I wanted to have to manage the 170 packages my software uses one by one and update them as painfully as possibly envisionable while checking the documentation for any fatal api changes that could put my application down and ruining the day of several companies, I would use gentoo

Ludovic 'Archivist' Lagouardette
If I wanted to have to manage the 170 packages my ...

The only way for avoid this is not to update them API breakage is made from the software author, not from the distribution. So if you need a system whose packages are not updated to the latest version, you should not use Arch in the first place

Ludovic 'Archivist'-Lagouardette Автор вопроса
Muflone
The only way for avoid this is not to update them ...

Guess what? most distributions stay at the same major version of a software until the next distro release, but not rolling releases

Muflone
The only way for avoid this is not to update them ...

It is the distribution's job to make sure all packages from official repos work correctly with each other.

Ludovic 'Archivist'-Lagouardette Автор вопроса
Muflone
you described what rolling means LOL

Rolling means you will have to do dependency management everyday for anything even mildly complex

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