Opinionated (and regarding security) question: using fish shell on production servers,

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Alireza

Opinionated (and regarding security) question: using fish shell on production servers,

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I used it for a bit earlier, it was tragic IMO. It's got all the good bits of zsh, but being incompatible with bash syntax was a dealbreaker for me. It seems that its developer has no interest in adding bash compatibility either. For security meanwhile, no particular opinion here. If you use ssh server do_stuff in scripts though, fish is going to break that. Actually, just about every other shell does IME. So I just stuck with bash and customized my PS1 for that instead.

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⟨ Simon | Schürrle ⟩

I wouldn't bother

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Alireza Автор вопроса

Raptor Blue Bear
Hard no

Does it have a bad reputation? Isn't it mature enough? I wanna know your reasons if you'd like to share

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Alireza Автор вопроса

I agree with you regarding scripts, syntax is compatible. But I'm considering administration view. The fancy features it has makes day to day maintenance tasks easier.

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⟨ Simon | Schürrle ⟩

Alireza
I agree with you regarding scripts, syntax is comp...

you shouldn't be doing them manually if you have to do them that often

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⟨ Simon | Schürrle ⟩
you shouldn't be doing them manually if you have t...

That's correct but not everyone knows e.g. ansible like they know shell

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Alireza Автор вопроса

Another question: If you are opposted to this, what about: 1. zsh on production servers? 2. bash with oh-my-bash or zsh with oh-my-zsh plugins?

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Raptor Blue Bear

Alireza
Another question: If you are opposted to this, wha...

Bash...just plain bash

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12.09.2023

Martin Rys

Alireza
Another question: If you are opposted to this, wha...

Why are you installing custom shells on prod servers again?

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Martin Rys
Why are you installing custom shells on prod serve...

I'm not. Wanted to know different mindsets around this. Reasons are legit, but I believe admin's user experience and productivity is extremely neglected. If their reasons were the case, ash would never evolve to dash and then bash.

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Raptor Blue Bear

Alireza
I'm not. Wanted to know different mindsets around ...

Why do you think that the experience and productivity of sysadmins are neglected?

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Raptor Blue Bear
Why do you think that the experience and productiv...

bash is not up to par in this aspct fish is more than a terminal, it's somehow like a tui and we have this evolution in every aspect. kubectl quickly evolved to k9s and kubernetes dashboard. All of these can be used and are used together in different use cases and incidents.

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Raptor Blue Bear

Alireza
bash is not up to par in this aspct fish is more t...

How often do you log on to and make changes or do any administration on your production servers.

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Raptor Blue Bear
How often do you log on to and make changes or do ...

Change is not frequent but using shell is an everyday thing

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Raptor Blue Bear

Alireza
Change is not frequent but using shell is an every...

You need the terminal on your production servers daily?

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Raptor Blue Bear
You need the terminal on your production servers d...

Yeah. I'm trying to expand automation, cd and event driven monitoring and provisioning (as a devops guy) but system admins do login into servers every day

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Raptor Blue Bear

Alireza
Yeah. I'm trying to expand automation, cd and even...

They honestly don't need to. You should training them not to, set up centralised logging, monitoring, config management, automated provisioning, etc etc. Make logging into a production server a rare occurrence

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Raptor Blue Bear · Accepted Answer

Raptor Blue Bear

Hard no

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